they don't have that feeling about president obama. >> not a big defeat for president obama? >> of course it's a big defeat for president obama. he went all around the country, and on wednesday night he had a meltdown in the rose garden. the senators actually voted with the way they felt was the right way to vote. he made the argument, is there a serious public policy argument for background checks, affecting what happened in newtown or in tucson or aurora, colorado, or the crime rates? i'm sorry. the parents of newtown -- >> they want something done. >> i have the greatest sympathy for the parents of newtown, but they never made a public policy argument. that's just a fact. >> i think the public policy argument is so clear here, that we should not have such easy access to guns, that people who are mentally incompetent or people with criminal records or people with any kind of records that would indicate they should not be trusted with a weapon are allowed to get it. what we see, not only in newtown, but daily, bill, in the streets of washington, d.c., chicago, new york, is a